By Walt Garlington, an Orthodox Christian living in Dixieland. His writings have appeared on several web sites, and he maintains a site of his own, Confiteri: A Southern Perspective.
For the more visionary members of the scientistic elite, AI isn’t merely another tool for mankind to use but rather a means by which he will be transformed into a superior organism. An interview in the online magazine Noēma between Tobias Rees and Nathan Gardels provides many details of this ‘upgrade’ of humanity.
It begins with a redefinition of what it means to be alive and to have intelligence:
In her essay in Noema, the astrophysicist Sarah Walker said that “we need to get past our binary categorization of all things as either life or not.”
What interests me most is rethinking the concepts we have inherited from the modern period, from the perspective of the in-betweenness made visible to us by AI.
. . . Deep learning, in general, and generative AI in particular, have broken with this human-centric concept of intelligence and replaced it with something else: The idea that intelligence is pretty much two things: learning and reasoning.
. . . I am emphasizing this absence of the symbolic because it is a beautiful way to show that deep learning has led to a pretty powerful philosophical rupture: Implicit in the new concept of intelligence is a radically different ontological understanding of what it is to be human, indeed, of what reality is or of how it is structured and organized.
Understanding this rupture with the older concept of intelligence and ontology of the human/the world is key, I think, to understanding your actual question: Are we entering what you call a new AIxial age, where AI will amount to something similar to what writing amounted to roughly 3,000 to 2,000 years ago?
The Holy Scriptures and the Holy Fathers of the Orthodox Church speak of man as the king and priest of creation, the one for whom it was all made and prepared by the All-Holy Trinity. By virtue of this, mankind has a special place in the created order. But the anti-Christian scientists, mimicking their predecessor Charles Darwin, are eager to demote man to a lower level, to make him simply one of the many myriads of lifeforms on the earth. In the context of AI, they are doing this by portraying AI as a new form of life with human-like intelligence.
The AI enthusiasts wear their evolutionist dogma on their sleeve:
Where does AI depart from, and where is it similar to the neural Darwinism described here by Gerald Edelman, the Nobel Prize-winning neuroscientist? What Edelman refers to as “reentrant interaction” appears quite similar to “backpropagation.”
Because of this, they have no compunction nor hesitation about transforming mankind into a new kind of being via technology. They see the latter as a catalyst for accelerating the evolutionary process:
Let me summarize this simply by saying that the technology of writing had absolutely dramatic consequences for what it is to be human, for how we experience and understand ourselves as humans. Among the two, perhaps, most important of these consequences was the systematic emergence of self-reflection and abstract thought.
. . . We could take any theme and approach it from whole new perspectives. Imagine what this kind of co-cogitation between humans and AI would do to our current concept of interiority! Can you imagine what it would do to how we understand terms like mind, thought, having an idea or being creative?
. . . I am entirely aware that I am giving AI philosophical and poetic dignity. And I do so consciously because I think AI has the potential to be an extraordinary philosophical event. It is our task as philosophers, artists, poets, writers and humanists to render this potential visible and relevant.
All this certainly has the makings of a new pivotal age.
The stated goal is to create a new symbiotic creature by permanently combining men and women with AI:
I often think of AI as a kind of very early-stage experimental embryology. Indeed, I often think that AI is doing for intelligence what synthetic biology did for nature. Meaning, synthetic biology transformed nature into a vast field of possibility. The number of things that exist in nature is minuscule compared to the things that could exist in nature. In fact, many more things have existed in the course of evolution than there are now, and there is no reason why we can’t combine strands of DNA and make new things. Synthetic biology is the field of practice that can bring these possible things into existence.
The same is true for AI and intelligence. Today, intelligence is no longer defined by a single or a few instances of existing intelligences but by the very many intelligent things that could exist.
. . . Licklider goes on: “At present (…) there are no man-computer symbioses. The purposes of this paper are to present the concept and, hopefully, to foster the development of man-computer symbiosis by analyzing some problems of interaction between men and computing machines, calling attention to applicable principles of man-machine engineering, and pointing out a few questions to which research answers are needed. The hope is that, in not too many years, human brains and computing machines will be coupled together very tightly, and that the resulting partnership will think as no human brain has ever thought and process data in a way not approached by the information-handling machines we know today.”
What does symbiosis mean? It means that one organism cannot survive without the other, which belongs to a different species. More specifically, it means that one organism is dependent on functions performed by the other organism. More philosophically put, symbiosis means that there is an indistinguishability in the middle. An impossibility to say where one organism ends and the other (or the others) begin.
. . . But here is the question: Is human-AI symbiosis possible from within this new, still emergent territory — this in-between territory — in the sense of the indistinguishability just described?
I think so. And I am excited about it. A bit like Licklider, I am looking forward to a “partnership” that will allow us to “think as no human brain has ever thought and process data in a way not approached by the information-handling machines we know today.”
When we can think thoughts we cannot think without AI, and when AI can process data in ways it cannot on its own, then no one can say where humans end and AI begins. Then we have indistinguishability, a symbiosis.
. . . I am describing a situation of maximal human intellectual curiosity. A state where being human is being more than human. Where the cognitive boundary between humans and AI becomes meaningfully indistinct.
With this Borg-like dystopia right before our eyes, what did one of the highest officers of the most moral, non-imperial imperium (to use some of Jay Dyer’s words), i.e., the United States, say while in Europe recently? Vice-President J. D. Vance exalted AI’s ‘potential’, and condemned European countries for showing any ‘trepidation’ towards it:
In his speech on Tuesday, February 11th, the VP stressed that the true potential of AI technologies can only be unlocked inside an innovation-friendly regulatory environment, similar to the one in the U.S. He invited every country to follow this model.
With European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen sitting next to him on the podium, Vance referred to the EU’s overly “risk-averse” AI Act, stating:
we need our European partners in particular to look to this new frontier [of AI development] with optimism, rather than trepidation.
European governments are full of a lot of dolts in many countries and at the level of the EU especially, but in this case their caution towards AI is more sensible than the US’s laissez-faire stance.
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In that regard, it is just a slender hair closer to the Orthodox approach towards the transformation of man, to knowledge, philosophy, and related subjects (though in most other ways the Eurocrats are just as implacable enemies of the Orthodox Church as the Deep State in DC and the various other State and local governments throughout the US). The scientistic elite, for instance, disregard the role of religion in philosophy. Hence, their naïve belief that an AI system can bring about a philosophical revolution in human history. With the Orthodox, this is not the case:
Religious faith, far from being considered as a necessary condition for sound philosophizing, has been regarded as something irrelevant or a positive hindrance to the attainment of truth. The philosopher’s moral character and inner being in general have been tacitly assumed to be quite irrelevant to the successful pursuit of knowledge.
The approach of the Byzantines [i.e., the Orthodox Christians of the Byzantine Empire/New Rome/Constantinople; because the Orthodox Church is one, the Orthodox Byzantine approach is not any different from that of the Orthodox in Scotland or South Korea or etc.—W.G.], with very few exceptions, involves a negation of both these presuppositions. Religious faith is for them an indispensable condition of sound philosophizing. The philosopher must begin with religious faith, if he is to avoid error and attain truth. Also, one’s moral and spiritual state – whether one is courageous or cowardly, continent or incontinent, just or unjust, calm or irritable, humble or proud, disposed to love or to hate, and so on – is viewed by them as quite relevant to the pursuit of philosophical knowledge (Constantine Cavarnos, ‘The Way to Knowledge’, Byzantine Thought and Art, Institute for Byzantine and Modern Greek Studies, Belmont, Mass., 2000, p. 30).
Furthermore, according to the Orthodox Church, mankind has already received the highest philosophy, quite apart from AI, writing, or any other technological advancement, for the Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ is the unsurpassable Wisdom:
For the Greek Fathers, Christianity is the truest and highest philosophy (philosophia), because it was revealed by Christ, Who is God’s Wisdom (Sophia). Perhaps the first who used the term philosophy in this sense was Justin Martyr the Philosopher (c. 100-164), the most important of the Apologists. Justin speaks of Christian teaching as the “divine philosophy,” which is “greater than all human teaching.” It is divine and surpasses all human wisdom because it is “inspired by the Divine Wisdom or Logos,” i.e. Christ. Consistently with his conception of Christianity as the divine philosophy, Justin continued to wear the philosopher’s cloak after he became a Christian. . . .
Similarly, St. Nilos the Ascetic (fl. 440), a pupil of St. John Chrysostom, says: “Many of the Greeks and not a few of the Jews undertook to philosophize; but only Christ’s disciples strove after the true wisdom, for they alone had Wisdom itself as their teacher, actually showing them the conduct proper for such a pursuit.”
Subsequent Greek Fathers, during the entire Byzantine period, continue to speak of Christianity in this manner, referring to it by such terms as “the true philosophy,” “philosophy according to Christ,” “heavenly philosophy,” “spiritual philosophy,” “divine philosophy,” “sacred philosophy,” “philosophy from Above,” and “wisdom from Above” (Cavarnos, ‘Philosophy’, Ibid., pgs. 16-17, 17-18).
The great advancement in human cognition and understanding promised by AI has already happened. For Christ the Eternal Logos, the Wisdom of God, has been united to human nature, and men and women, through union with Christ the God-man, thus have access to all the infinite riches of His knowledge, wisdom, etc. Nothing will ever surpass this wondrous event in human history. What is required to actualize those riches is not advancement in human tech either, but advancement in holiness:
. . . Maximos the Confessor remarks: “ . . . The Savior says: ‘Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.’ They shall see him and the treasures within Him when they have cleansed themselves through love and self-control; and the more so the more they intensify the purification.”
Inner purity results in the removal of the psychical barriers that make our innate knowledge inaccessible to us, that keep it buried in the unconscious. . . .
. . . Man is born with a vast treasure of knowledge pertaining to the whole created world and to God. This knowledge is termed “natural knowledge” . . . . Within God are contained the reasons, ideas, or archetypes of all things. Hence God is said to be perfect Wisdom. . . . Now since man has been created in the image of God, he must reflect within himself God, and hence all these ideas.
. . . In proportion as a man grows in passionlessness, his natural knowledge rises to consciousness, and his knowledge according to nature [i.e., the external knowledge gained through rational learning, the physical senses, etc.—W.G.] becomes sound, free of error. To the degree, on the other hand, that he remains chained to the “passions” . . . – to bad thoughts and feelings, to vice and sin – his natural knowledge remains buried in the unconscious, and the knowledge which he acquires through inquiry and search is not according to nature, but contrary to nature . . . , unsound, a mixture of truth and error (‘The Way to Knowledge’, pgs. 34, 35, 36).
But the highest form of knowledge comes directly from God, via our union with Him:
Natural knowledge and knowledge according to nature are distinguished from a higher kind of knowledge, which is “above nature” . . . , “supernal” . . . , “spiritual” . . . . This knowledge is a direct revelation of spiritual law, of the Divine will, of the hidden mysteries of the kingdom of heaven. It comes from the indwelling of Divine grace in those who have achieved purity. . . . Maximos the Confessor remarks: “He who has brought the body into harmony with the soul through virtue . . . becomes, through purity of mind, an abode of the Logos.” Such a person is said to have risen to a state of illumination . . . , of theosis or union with God, theosis being not only man’s highest state of being, involving the complete turning of the will and the emotions towards God, but also his highest state of knowledge (Ibid., p. 37).
When man enters into such a state of blessedness, it will necessarily profoundly change and improve how he interacts with the creation around him. The AI enthusiasts believe their union of man and AI will lead to a deeper and better understanding between man and the earth:
Gardels: Perhaps such a symbiosis of inorganic and organic intelligence will spawn what Benjamin Bratton calls “planetary sapience,” where AI helps us better understand natural systems and align with them?
Rees: What if we linked AI to this fungi-tree symbiosis? AI could read and translate chemical and electrical signals from fungi-tree-soil networks. These signals contain information about ecosystem health, nutrient flows, stress responses. That is, AI could make the communication between fungi-trees intelligible to humans in real-time.
We humans could then understand something — and possibly pose questions and thereby communicate — that we simply couldn’t otherwise, independent of AI. And simultaneously we can help AI ask the right questions and process information in ways it cannot on its own.
Now let’s expand the scope: What if AI could connect us to large-scale planetary systems that are impossible to know without AI? In fact, what if AI would become something like a self-monitoring planetary system into which we are directly looped. As Bratton has put it, “Only when intelligence becomes artificial and can be scaled into massive, distributed systems beyond the narrow confines of biological organisms, can we have a knowledge of the planetary systems in which we live.”
Perhaps in a way where — as DNA is the best storage for information we know — part of the information storage and the compute the AI relies on is actually done by mycorrhizal networks?
If anything, I can’t wait to have such a whole Earth symbiotic state — and to be a part of this form of reciprocal communication (Noēma).
Once again, however, the illumination experienced by the saints in the Orthodox Church, which gives them unparalleled insight into all the creation, makes this fever-dream of the technophiles irrelevant:
Those who ‘cleave to the Spirit’ (Gal. 5:25) and are totally committed to the spiritual life live in accordance with God’s will, dedicated to Him as were the Nazirites (cf. Num. 6:2-8; Judg. 13:5). At all times they labor to purify their soul and to keep the Lord’s commandments, expending their blood in their love for Him. They purify the flesh through fasts and vigils; they refine the heart’s dross with tears; they mortify their materialistic tendencies through ascetic hardship; they fill the intellect with light through prayer and meditation, making it translucid; and by renouncing their own wills they sunder themselves from passionate attachment to the body and adhere solely to the Spirit. As a result everyone recognizes them as spiritual, and rightly refers to them as such. As they approach the state of dispassion and love, they ascend to the contemplation of the inner essences of created things; and from this they acquire the knowledge of created being that is bestowed by the hidden wisdom of God (cf. 1 Cor. 2:7) and given only to those who have risen above the body’s low estate. Thus it is that when they have passed beyond all sensory experience of this world and have entered with an illumined mind into the realms that are above sense-perception, their intelligence is enlightened and they utter righteous words from a pure heart in the midst of the Church of God and the great congregation of the faithful (cf. Ps. 40:9-10). For other people they are salt and light, as the Lord says of them: ‘You are the light of the world and the salt of the earth’ (cf. Matt. 5:13-14) (Nikitas Stithatos, ‘On the Inner Nature of Things and on the Purification of the Intellect: One Hundred Texts’, ch. 7, The Philokalia, Vol. Four, Palmer, Sherrard, and Ware translators, Faber and Faber, London, 1995, p. 109; via the PDF available at this site).
Significantly, the Orthodox Church is adamant that each Christian, each striver for theosis, have a spiritual father to guide him on that difficult path. For the scientistic class, AI will fill that role:
Such an AI system can make me visible to myself in ways neither I nor any other human can. It literally can lift me above me. It can show me myself from outside of myself, show me the patterns of thoughts and behaviors that have come to define me. It can help me understand these patterns and it can discuss with me whether they are constraining me, and if so, then how. What is more, it can help me work on those patterns and, where appropriate, enable me to break from them and be set free.
Philosophically put, AI can help me transform myself into an “object of thought” to which I can relate and on which I can work.
The work of the self on the self has formed the core of what Greek philosophers called meletē and Roman philosophers meditatio. And the kind of AI system I evoke here would be a philosopher’s dream. It could make us humans visible to ourselves in ways no human interlocutor can, from outside of us, free from conversational narcissism (Noēma).
For the Orthodox, only an illumined spiritual father or mother, an actual human being who has had long experience with the spiritual life, not a demonically infested AI system, can guide a man or woman safely to union with God, to true knowledge and philosophy, to transformation into a new creature:
If you are not obedient to a spiritual father in imitation of the Son who was obedient to the Father even unto death and the cross (cf. Phil. 2:8), you cannot be spiritually born anew. If you do not become the beloved son of a holy father, and if you have not been born anew in the Logos and the Spirit, how will you yourself become a holy father and give birth to holy children who conform to the holiness of their father? And if this does not happen – well, ‘the tree is known by its fruit’ (cf. Matt. 12:33) (‘On the Inner Nature of Things’, ch. 54, p. 122).
Despite the States being heavily influenced by iconoclastic Protestantism, there is actually a painting by John Gast from 1872, American Progress, that is a very good icon of the reigning cult/religion of the union, i.e., material improvement. At the center of the painting is a voluptuous goddess, Columbia, who represents the union of the States. In one hand she carries a school book and in the other a telegraph wire. Following in the path she clears are pioneers, trains, sailboats, bridges, and other marks of Modern technological society; before her flee bears, buffalo, Native Americans, and everything irrational and pre-Modern. Technophilic civilization brings light itself into the world, as we see the sun shining in that part of the painting, while the pre-Modern world is full of darkness.
With this idolatrous worship of materialistic, technological Progress pervading the vast majority of the peoples of the States, and with VP Vance, other federal and State officials, and President Trump himself (via Project Stargate, for example) throwing their full support behind the unbridled development of AI, there is cause for deep concern that we will not escape the worst outcomes that will arise from it here in the US.
But for those who are looking for an ark to protect them from the coming deluge, the Orthodox Church is here in the States. Enter in, all who wish to be saved.
You can tell that Walt is a boomer.
“Significantly, the Orthodox Church is adamant that each Christian, each striver for theosis, have a spiritual father to guide him on that difficult path.”
Does it? There are many monastic saints who complain about the great lack of competent spiritual elders. They say you have to read the Fathers for yourself and come up with your own best judgment. St Ignatius Brianchaninov is the most explicit of these, but Sts Gregory of Sinai, Nil of Sora and Joseph the Hesychast had similar complaints.
And that was in Orthodox countries before the invention of the noise-and-picture machine. The common American priest is, well, a common American.
And maybe it’s not appropriate for every parishioner to run to the monastery and confess their porn habit to the hieromonks. There are parishioners who need a God-bearing elder to fix them, but most people need a normie married priest from the suburbs who also lies on his taxes like they do.
To support this “adamant” teaching, Walt gives a single paragraph from the Philokalia, from a relatively unknown saint. This is Peter Heers type rhetoric where you appeal to “the saints”, and then it’s isolated quotes from an obscure elder who may not even be dead yet.
The Philokalia is for monks, and really for medieval monks. There’s valuable things for us today within it, but overall you’re more likely to fall into demonic delusion than be saved by reading the Philokalia. You can look at the crop of 20th century academic theologians and their heresies for a clear example of what happens when we read books that we’re not ready for.
We do need confession, and most normie Orthodox will confess to their local suburban priest who is married with 2.5 kids (or more) who will be a spiritual father. Who (hopefully) does not lie on his taxes. We could all be better. At the same time, one of the reasons this site was so hard on bishops during was that they failed to protect the average faithful Orthodox Christian. The person out there in a parish trying to follow the path of righteousness, failing most of the time but trying to repent and do better. They shut the faithful out of church, changed Traditions that were said to Apostolic and unchangeable, and used a distorted view of their authority to justify it all. This did incalculable harm to souls. Is the parish system in America perfect? Not by a long shot. But it is what we have, and where the majority of people who attend liturgy are trying to find salvation. Do we want it to improve? Absolutely. But have some mercy on all those struggling within an imperfect world.
Ubi cáritas et amor, Deus ibi est.
Congregávit nos in unum Christi amor.
Exsultémus et in ipso iucundémur.
Timeámus et amémus Deum vivum.
Et ex corde diligámus nos sincéro.
Ubi cáritas et amor, Deus ibi est.
What I have found is that people use the term “spiritual father” very differently from one parish to another. I knew one married suburban priest who was as monastic as you could be without being monastic, and he refused to use that term for himself because he understood the weight attached to it. I’ve also known priests — some married, some monastic — who take on that title very eagerly, sometimes without even being asked, and then abuse their authority.
We all need the sacrament of confession. And we need the kind of psychological catharsis that comes from vocalizing our secrets and sins. But this in-depth mentoring is expecting more out of most priests than is realistic. Most priests are people just like you and me — they’re not really good people, but they’re not really bad people either. They get angry in traffic and tell white lies and think that voting matters. They obsess over superhero franchises or 70s rock music, and they read Schmemann’s book about Lent.
This is not what the Philokalia is talking about. The Philokalia is talking about a very intensive obedience with a thoroughly sanctified elder who has totally divested himself of self-interest. This kind of elder can tell you what God’s will is for your life and understands the passions of your soul.
I’ve known parish priests who try to take on this more advanced mentoring and have no idea what spiritual forces they are messing with. Several years ago I was in a deep spiritual depression, and I had a priest try to force the fullness of the fasting calendar on me and to say the Jesus Prayer in quiet meditation every day. He wasn’t a bad person at all, but he had no spiritual discernment and did not know what he was talking about.
When I was a catechumen at the age of 21 in 2012, I visited my first monastery. I was honest with the abbot and told him about my mental health problems. He gave me a prayer rope and told me to say the Jesus Prayer at all times.
It’s not “pastoral” to put advanced prayer techniques on people who are not prepared for it. At best, and what usually happened with me, the person gets discouraged and quits, and there comes feelings of shame, guilt and inadequacy. At worst, the person perseveres and has a mental break.
But even if we found such a God-bearing monastic elder, is that what most people need? I can tell you what advice he will give you — obedience. He will tell you to be obedient above all else. He will also tell you that you have to quit consuming music and video entertainment in order to have a developed prayer life. He will say that birth control is a serious sin, that wearing make-up is a sin, and that women should not pursue dedicated careers. Even if we had such a monastic elder, most parishioners would hate him.
Any comment that begins its first sentence with an ad-hominem attack (by definition, a logical fallacy) can and should be disregarded in its entirety.
That’s not how logic works. This is why we can’t have a democracy or public schools.
Calling Walt a boomer was not part of my argument, and therefore it was not a fallacy. Ad hominem doesn’t mean insults. An ad hominem is when an attack on the speaker is part of the flow of logic. For example, if I had said, “What Walt said is wrong because he is a boomer.” The boomer-ness of Walt is a separate category from whether what he wrote is correct or not.
That you disregard the rest of what I wrote is the fallacy fallacy. Just because there is faulty reasoning does not negate the conclusion. You state that everything I wrote should be disregarded, but you did not source that conclusion from the premise that I used a fallacy. Instead you lept from a false premise to an irrelevant conclusion.
All that being said, boomers tend to have unnuanced good vs evil narratives and simplistic appeals to authority, such as the isolated quote from the Philokalia as a rule for all people in all times. Rarely do boomer converts understand what Orthodoxy is. Instead they absorb the popular literature of the time and take it uncritically. We see this in other posts how Walt quotes Heers and Florovsky. People are products of their cultural contexts, and Walt being a boomer is no irrelevant to whether he can make sound arguments.
Walt the man may be wrong because he’s a boomer, but the correctness of the arguments that Walt makes are not contingent on him being a boomer. They are wrong regardless of who would be making them.
Good thoughts here, we’ll all be dealing with the AI issue if not already.
My experience has been, when they go public, its already in place. Whatever build out they are planning for Texas is merely a bigger and better of what’s already going on.
In reality, its only a counterfeit of the real–Theosis. Keep in mind, Satan invents nothing, but only steals, kills, destroys what is good with his counterfeit, it was that way in the garden, same thing here. Man is unique in all creation in that he has the capacity to transcend into the heights of God. The Holy Virgin transcended even the Seraphim of heaven in honor. Yet, man also has the capacity to descend into the worst of animals–beast by definition.
The Anti-Christ, Beast, and False Prophet I have to worry about most is in me.
AI is nothing short of a portal/gateway to hell. As Jesus said, “I will build my Church and the portals/gateways of hell cannot prevail against it. Make no mistake, the enemies of our soul can pour forth from this portal. Setting up as they are, every home, every cell phone, every device will be a portal to the demonic, a place to summon demons–nothing less. In reality with all that is available online now days, its obviously a portal to hell.
Melding man and machine will create “orcs”, men devoid of anything good, wholesome and holy, monsters without any conscience–a devolution into hell to say the least. .
During the Iconoclasm, the litmus test was kissing the icon. Iconoclasts could not bring themselves to do it. Likewise, the shots revealed a lot about our hierarch, and now AI maybe another test to show who is real and who has left the reservation–bailed on the holy Tradition of the Church.Just watch how the hierarchs come down on this one, it will be telling. Alexa is AI lite, merely bait to get folks used to the idea of getting council from unknown sources. .
Modern Times and Ancient Truths
February 27, 2025 by Edward Curtin
“It is Resurrection time, and despite the machine people, God rises in us all as we resist their machine dreams, and rejoice.”
https://edwardcurtin.com/modern-times-and-ancient-truths/
Is it a coincidence we have J D Vance aligned with at least two well-known proponents of AI, Ellison and Musk? Perhaps the devil is in details in bringing Antichrist ever closer. Let’s change up the VP’s name slightly: J Devance. ‘Devance’ = “to precede, to anticipate, to be ahead of something, to overtake, etc.” Who am I to say? Know the season, brothers and sisters. Watch.