As a nurse, I am lucky that my hospital is in a conservative area. During the Pandemic, while the hospital enforced all kinds of hysteria (thank you federal government), the community outside the doors was almost completely normal. There was never a mask mandate and nobody practiced “social distancing”. Some businesses did close for a “lockdown” at the beginning, but only for a brief time. Unlike so many other places, our favorite eateries and small shops survived. Even our local church carried on normally, while so many people elsewhere were forced to participate in worship via livestreaming. “Vaccine” uptake was on the low side of national averages, and no one did much of anything about that. In the community that is, in the hospital we were severely pressured.
All that surrounding normality gave me the strength to deal with my 8 – 12 hours of COVID misery per day. I knew that as soon as I hit the parking lot, the “Pandemic” would be over, and I could go live my life in freedom again. That fact, combined with the Jesus Prayer, kept me going through even the worst shifts.
Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.
So it should come as no surprise that when the hospital lifted its mask mandate, patients and visiting family were thrilled. Masks are optional! No one will be asked about their “vaccine status”! Of course, no patient is ever happy to be getting admitted to a hospital, but you can see the relief on the patients’ faces knowing that they will at least breathe freely while seeing their nurses’ smiling faces.
Only, not so fast. What they don’t tell the patients is that only nurses and staff who have taken the jabs are allowed to go mask free. Almost a 1/3 of us got religious or other exemptions from the jabs. We must continue to wear masks – possibly for the rest of our careers. Patients aren’t told that when they check in. And we are not allowed to tell them ourselves on pain of being fired.
The patients only know that some nurses and staff show up to care for them wearing masks. You can see the change in their demeanor when that happens. They immediately assume the worst. Many patients demand to know, “Why are you wearing that? Didn’t you hear that the mask mandate is over?” It can get heated. We cannot answer honestly. If we do, we are promised prompt discipline. So we defuse the situation as best we can and try our best to avoid awkward conversations and confrontations.
Do you know how hard it is to have your patients see you as a mask Nazi? After two years of frustration with this Pandemic, many patients now see me as the enemy – a person who is so wrapped up in COVID hysteria that I am still wearing a useless mask that I could take off if I wanted to. Only I can’t. And I can’t even tell them why.
So they assume I am one of the controlling people that forced them and their loved ones to wear masks in our facilities for the past couple of years. They assume I am on the side of the vax, the lockdowns, the school closures, and all the other oppression we have experienced.
Only patients have it completely backwards. In an ironic twist of fate, the most COVIDIAN members of our staff are the ones celebrating mask freedom with the patients. Everyone is all smiles at being human again, patients never suspecting that the unmasked staff are the compliant ones. Many of whom were the staff most paranoid about COVID. Many of whom clung to masks with a religious fervor, and reported any violation of COVID rules to management immediately.
Many of the now unmasked were still demanding, until quite recently, that we keep our restrictive visitation policies in place. Nurses who wanted granny to die alone, are now basking in the praise of their patients for having overcome the evil “mask mandate”. Meanwhile, the patients and family look suspiciously, and with great irritation, at still-masked nurses and other staff – assuming that we are the totalitarian enemy.
Here is what I would like to say to my patients and their visitors, if I could:
At the bedside when I’m looking at you and explaining the course of your medical care, don’t judge or blame me for wearing a mask. About a year ago our jobs were threatened, we stood up against the forced tyrannical shots and risked our own children’s welfare to do so. We are the ones who refused to comply with the jabs, and the ones who wanted this whole hysteria to end as quickly as possible. This mask order has no expiration date. We could be forced to do this the rest of our careers. The federal government and our management chose to single us out as a warning against non-compliance. Look at the staff badges. Those that complied with the jabs have a special sticker. That is their “get out of masking” mark.
Your anger against me is misdirected, and actually helps the COVID totalitarians you obviously despise. Your attitude towards me is part of the punishment they are subjecting me to.
I am your nurse. I would gladly work all night, through holidays, and through storms to be at your side. I have no control over the political factions that rule and pressure our facilities. I’m here for you, I’m not the offensive enemy that has held you captive for over 2 years. I am the one that is smiling under her mask, thanking God for your and your family’s newly recovered freedom. I probably won’t have the freedom to be unmasked at work for many years to come, thanks to this political climate. Yet, I’m so thankful to God that I can see my patients’ faces and their loved ones’ physical cues of confusion or satisfaction. I’m attuned to their every move, gesture and remark. Glory to God, I will happily live masked if forced to do so to care for my patients. That is my gift to God, as little as it is.
But, you might ask, isn’t there a nursing shortage? Why not just get another job? All of the hospitals in our area have the same policy – only the “vaxxed” can go mask free. Officially, this is based on federal policy set by the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services. Comply hospitals, or the Feds cut off your money. So management complies. But don’t be foolish enough to think they are reluctant to do so. They want to see us miscreants singled out and punished just as badly as the Feds do.
But wait, hasn’t even Pfizer now admitted that the jabs never stopped transmission of the virus? That all that talk about getting vaccinated to protect others was nothing but lies? Where is the “science” behind making us wear useless masks?
There is no “science” here. It’s about power and obedience.
Aren’t the mRNA jabs, we unmasked hospital employees refused, now implicated in all kinds of serious adverse reactions such as myocarditis, changes in menstrual cycles, reduced sperm counts, paralysis, cancer, auto-immune disorders, strokes, sudden adult death syndrome…?
Yes, all that is true. The shots are useless and dangerous, as are the masks, but no one seems to care about facts. We are guilty of having disobeyed, and now we must be punished. As an unvaccinated nurse, all my employment options either require I get vaxxed or continue masking. At least I’m lucky to be in a state where my religious exemption is honored. My soul is spared the choice of taking a shot linked to abortion or quitting nursing altogether.
I have looked at some remote jobs for nurses. Those are largely dead ends. Most companies hiring remote positions are based in Blue States, and the jab is required – no exceptions. Besides, I got into nursing to care for actual people, not file paperwork for insurance companies.
So here we are. The unvaxxed nurses and staff, once hailed as heroes, are now despised by our own management and our patients alike. It is a hard place to be. I pray a lot, especially when I want to burst out yelling about how unfair all this is.
Since all things work for our salvation, perhaps this is my opportunity learn that some battles, God must fight for me. I listen to a lot of prayers on break to help me focused. This is one of my favorites:
Please, remember to pray for your nurses and hospital staff. Those of us that did not take the jabs are sentenced to what could be a lifetime of discrimination. Those that took the jabs look forward to an unknown future of potential adverse reactions, in addition to having their souls linked to the evil of abortion.
My Hope is the father, my refuge is the Son, my protection is the Holy Spirit; O Lord glory be to Thee.
Maria is a nurse with decades of experience and an Orthodox Christian
At this stage in the game, our hindsight should be nearing 20/20.
In summary:
1. Every hierarch who enforced mandates and/or encouraged the frankenshot in essence declared to the world “we have no king but Caesar!” (next week they will be looking at your tax returns on behalf of the IRS).
2. The so called “vaccine” has nothing to do with curing or saving health in any fashion but is a kill and control weapon instituted by the deep state and the new world order. As for those clergy who encouraged getting the jab, they—themselves—have led their sacred trust—God’s people— to the slaughter. Did Prof. John Parker ever get paid for the Pfizer infomercials? The educational institutions are always the first to corrupt.
3. The so called “vaccine” has implications on different levels. It has physical (well documented), spiritual, and most damningly, covenantal implications (see my book; Covenant Everlasting). Here is what we mean: what sex is to the marriage covenant (covenant renewal), the Eucharist is to Baptism (covenant renewal), and the shots are to the Luciferian—Babylonian, Egyptian, Roman— new world order death cult (covenant initiation [first shot] and covenant renewal [boosters]). Do you really think they would let it go after just one shot? No, all covenants must be renewed regularly, so also the jab. Taking the shot is dining with demons, an act of covenant embrace. This is a covenant with death itself (Is. 28:17-9), a “hoping in Hades”. If it is not the final mark of the beast, it is certainly in the same spirit, model, and genre as the mark of the beast. Avoid it like the plague, because that is what it is, all Egyptian plagues rolled up into one; fully a participation in the death cult. Taking the shot will never give any measure of immortality—that you seek— even in the present, but is stepping toward transhumanism binding one’s self to the Luciferian cult rooted in Nimrod. For those who still cannot see this, they are doomed; they will fall equally for the mark of the beast. Whatever you trust in—whatever it is you cannot live without—, is your god. For those refusing the jab, the persecution is well worth not being bound to the death cult.
At some point, every Levite must strap on his sword (Ex. 32) and cut any damning relationships with those pushing these death-cultic practices–the trans-human shots.
Getting free of the shot–if you took it–starts with going to your confessor and getting that Absolution. It takes a covenant enactment to undo another covenant act (like a writ of divorce). If your priest still thinks the shots are good, find another priest or confessor and, of course, even if you cannot move, send him as one after the Order of Melchizedek, you tithe. There is no sense in supporting evil, stupidity, or even ignorance gone to seed.
After that, figure out a good detox plan to get the garbage out.
Both Good (God) and evil operate according to covenant principles. Once you understand the workings of covenant principles, things become a whole lot clearer. Covenant defines the outlay of the land in every way and in every place.
She is part of the reason why, once vaccines became available, the COVID death rate in Florida shot to one of the highest in the nation and double other more vaccine-adherent states. Ana that’s despite Florida’s warm weather and ease of outdoor activity should have made it a place where coronavirus spread far less.
You are aware that even the official “fact checkers” are now trying to pretend that the mRNA jabs were never marketed as reducing transmission after the comments in front of the EU Parliament.
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-pfizer-transmission-european-parliament-950413863226
So the “fact checkers” are now trying to walk back all that enthusiasm for forcing everyone, health care workers included, to get the mRNA jabs. This coincides with the New York judge ordering all the public sector workers fired for not taking the jabs to be reinstated. The “fact checkers” continue to claim that there is a reduction in transmission from the jabs, we just don’t know how much and it is “difficult” to measure. The fact is, of course, that like CDC Director Wallensky, full vaxxed and boosted still get COVID and still spread COVID, apparently. Further, even the CDC says that there should be no difference in treatment between the vaxxed and unvaxxed.
So how could an unvaxxed Florida nurse be part of the problem of COVID transmission? And she, like all other nurses, was forced to mask the entire time while in the hospital. Do masks not work?
As of August 31, 2022:
In Florida, 17,375,503 people or 81% of the state has received at least one dose.
Overall, 14,643,957 people or 68% of Florida’s population are considered fully vaccinated.
Additionally, 6,214,937 people or 29% of Florida’s population have recieved a booster dose.
That does not seem as if Florida is particularly lacking in “vaccine adherence”. Now, COVID statistics are a total mess, and were highly manipulated. Even the CDC admitted their counting was “aggressive”. But using their stat, how does Florida compare?
New York
Deaths per 100,000: 0.18
Florida
Deaths per 100,000: 0.18
Michigan
Deaths per 100,000: 0.23
Pennsylvania
Deaths per 100,000: 0.16
Florida has a very high elderly population and this is a virus that targets the elderly. Even so, and even with the “lax” Florida response, the results are the same as for states that locked down for months, closed schools, masked toddlers, and issue vax mandates.
The mRNA jabs are ineffective at stopping transmission, come with potential for horrible side effects, and do not stop you from developing COVID. They are a complete failure, and smart health care workers avoided them.
First off, those claimed numbers aren’t even remotely correct. I have no idea where you got them, but “0.18 deaths per 100,000” would imply that only 40 people died of Covid in the entire state of Florida. You are once again showing that you have no clue what you are talking about – anyone with basic knowledge would immediately see that your numbers make no sense.
Deaths from respiratory disease tend to track with weather and population density. The more people you have forced inside longer, the more illness spreads. Compared to those factors Florida’s marginally older population has little relevance, since the % of Floridians who are senior citizens is just 3.9 points higher than the US median. Age profile will impact Covid deaths but only at the margins.
You tried to cherry-pick a couple cold-weather states with huge urban populations, and gave inaccurate #’s on top of that. You know what the list actually looks like when you don’t cherry-pick? Here are the #’s from worldmeter, taken from the official state-by-state reports.
Covid Deaths per 1,000 residents:
Mississippi: 4.4
Arizona 4.3
Alabama 4.2
West Virginia 4.2
Arkansas 4.1
New Mexico 4.1
Tennessee 4.1
New Jersey 3.9
Michigan 3.9
Louisiana 3.9
Kentucky 3.9
Florida 3.8
Georgia 3.8
Oklahoma 3.8
New York 3.7
Nevada 3.7
Pennsylvania 3.7
Indiana 3.7
South Carolina 3.6
Missouri 3.5
Rhode Island 3.5
South Dakota 3.4
Ohio 3.4
Montana 3.3
Kansas 3.3
Wyoming 3.3
Delaware 3.2
Iowa 3.2
Connecticut 3.2
Massachusetts 3.2
Texas 3.2
Illinois 3.1
North Dakota 3.1
Idaho 2.9
Wisconsin 2.6
Virginia 2.6
Maryland 2.6
North Carolina 2.6
California 2.5
Colorado 2.5
Minnesota 2.4
Nebraska 2.4
Oregon 2.1
New Hampshire 2.0
Washington D.C. 2.0
Maine 2.0
Washington 1.9
Alaska 1.9
Utah 1.6
Hawaii 1.2
Vermont 1.2
New York and New Jersey had over 40% of their deaths during the first two months, when they were hit especially hard by a wave that the rest of the country was spared from, and the lack of early knowledge of how to treat Covid along with lack of vaccination and terrible nursing home policy made those early deaths skyrocket. Since no vaccines were available and lockdowns were pretty much uniform across the country in that first wave, it is irrelevant to comparing differences in policy. If you only look at the period after lockdown/vaccine policies diverged, New York and New Jersey join the other blue states near the bottom in death rates.
You claim that Covid statistics were “highly manipulated”, but wouldn’t that suggest that blue states would have inflated numbers and red states would have suppressed numbers? Since deaths are reported by individuals within the state, then any sort of manipulation if it existed should push blue states higher on the list and red states lower. So, in reality, red states did even worse comparitively than the official numbers tell us.
The general trend is remarkably clear. The majority of states that saw terrible death rates were ones that had terrible lockdown policies or vaccine adherance, or both. As you point out, Florida’s vaccine adherance wasn’t that bad (not as bad as the rest of the South), so they did somewhat better, but lockdown policy and a very loose attitude toward vaccine exemptions still made them far worse than average, despite favorable weather. That is by their OWN self-reported numbers, which are likely suppressed compared to inflated blue state self-reports, right?
If you look at like-to-like comparisons, the trends are even more clear. Why is Idaho’s death rate so much higher than Oregon and Washington? Why is Arizona and Nevada much worse than California? Why are North and South Dakota so much worse than Minnesota? Why is Wyoming so much worse than Colorado? Every time you have fairly comparable states next to each other, one of which that had strict lockdowns plus better vaccine adherance and the other with loose policies, the strict states had better survival rates. In fact, in all those examples the states with HIGHER population density did better, the opposite of what you would expect. And if you break it down by counties it becomes even more stark, such as how Oregon and Washington saw their death rates driven by highest rates in the most conservative counties, where adherance was the worst, even though population density is rather low there.
And this is the rawest data. Look at the data outbreak-by-outbreak and it’s even more stark. Or look at the excess-deaths data (where Covid reporting becomes irrelevant and you’re SOLELY looking at how many total people ended up in the morgues over a given period) and the noncompliant states look even worse.
If you have weird political reasons for being against public health policy, that’s one thing. But don’t lie about the data.
That would be the New York Times, last updated 10/26/2022
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html
If you don’t like the stats, please take it up with the New York Times. Public Health in the US, perhaps not in India where you are (or are you using a VPN?) has completely discredited itself. The impacts on children, the economic devastation of lockdowns, the horrific vax side effects, the lies about transmission, the complete lack of cost / benefit analysis, all of these things combine to make public health a dirty word at this point.
Mitigation ended the pandemic nowhere. The mRNA jabs did not end the pandemic. They did not stop transmission. The pandemic ended when everyone just got tired of it, and politicians feared losing their jobs. Uptake on the boosters is abysmal. Vaxx rates among children is abysmal. Yet, the world moves on.
Interesting stats on all-cause mortality:
https://vigilantfox.substack.com/p/smoking-gun-new-actuarial-report
This MD gives a very nice summation of all the things “Public Health” got wrong:
https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1584967354739720192
Quite the track record of failure. You feel like the Nurse in Florida should have been forced to vaxx? But that position is now losing in court in Blue States:
https://twitter.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1584930051166208000
And more and more MD’s are speaking out:
https://twitter.com/DrSuneelDhand/status/1584326313493479424
The politicians behind all the suffering are going to be punished by voters. The PH establishment will eventually likewise be punished, as their new bosses are not going to want to be associated with them. These policies are unlikely to ever recur, and the mRNA jabs will eventually go away.
The numbers you took from the link were the deaths IN THE LAST SEVEN DAYS, not for the course of the pandemic lol. Once again you prove you don’t have the slightest understanding of the numbers you cherry-pick and copy-paste.
The rest of your post is a gish-gallop of deflections that ignore every argument and data I posted. Which is what you always do when faced with evidence that contradicts your conspiracy.
And nice attempt to dox me. Did you seriously just post private information about where you think my location is because you were losing an internet argument?
No, because coming from an IP address in India makes one wonder if you are not a paid Internet troll. But, turns out you are just the same old Jonathan who once claimed to work for the Orthodox Church and have the marvelous scientific background. As for the NY Times data, did you click the “All Time” tab on the charts?
The “all time” tabs in the NY Times link perfectly match the data that I already posted and are nothing like your data.
Why do you have such a hard time admitting when you are wrong?
We don’t. It was a copy paste error. Now, this is what we have to say:
https://orthodoxreflections.com/the-covid-vax-still-haunts-hospital-workers-in-florida/#comment-4548
It’s not just a “copy paste error”, those #’s were off by over 3 orders of magnitude and proved you didn’t even understand the data you were looking at when you were copy-pasting. And when that was pointed out to you, you first tried to double-down and mock me rather than realizing your error.
As you do every time.
Now I’ve posted the real data, in full, which exposes how ridiculous your claim was based off of cherry-picked wrong data. And you’re completely ignoring it. Because, once again, none of your arguments are based on the actual data or any legitimate information or knowledge at all. No matter how often your underlying claims are proven wrong, your views never change.
The article was primarily about jabbing kids. Do you plan to address that topic? Or we going round and round in your fixation on Florida?
Someone too cowardly to post their own identifying information should not be using their access to private information in order to dox commenters. The amount of information you’ve given could identify me immediately among a substantial number of potential readers. Please delete those statements and this response, unless you’re willing to post yourself and your collaborators in an identifiable way.
The only thing we noted was that the IP address coming up was India. Everything else we said about you was taken from your own public posts. We didn’t publish your email address or narrow down where in India your IP address was located. India is a big place, and you could easily be using a VPN which would let you appear to have an IP address anywhere in the world.
Now this is rich coming from you to talk about doxxing. You did everything you could to try and dox the author of the piece on the Coup in Ukraine. We had to keep editing his name out of your comments. Not everyone here is anonymous. The ones that are have excellent reasons for being so.
Which is also funny, because while you call those of us who are anonymous “cowards”, you don’t put your real name on your comments. Do you? Which we don’t mind, but just pointing out the fact.
https://orthodoxreflections.com/in-defense-of-anonymous-speech-online-and-the-freedom-to-oppose-the-war-in-ukraine/
The information you posted in combination with my location is far more than enough for numerous people to recognize me. Your refusal to take down private information about my location despite multiple requests to do so is proving your lack of integrity over and over. I call you a coward because you try to hide your own anonymity while not respecting that of others.
The author of your Ukraine piece had published the same claims online under his full name, which is why I knew who it was. His entire argument relied on his supposed authority as an insider. It was not “doxxing” to point that out. You were hiding his name because you wanted him to be viewed as some sort of authority on the subject, and actually naming him exposed that he was no such thing but in fact was just a conspiracy theorist under the direct influence of pro-Russia propagandists who had already gotten numerous claims wrong and was no longer taken seriously by anyone.
No, we did not publish his name because he asked us not to. Which we respected. He was a firsthand witness, not a consumer of media. He was in country and in a position to write with authority over what he saw and experienced.
So you didn’t publish his publicly available name because he asked you not to, even though his claims relied on his supposed firsthand account, but you’ve repeatedly published my privately held location in concert with other information about me even after I asked you several times not to?
You appear to be a vindictive, nasty person.
People, actually. You put everything out there in comments besides what shows up as your current IP address. You put your background in comments trying to establish an authority to argue against us. That was your doing, not ours. As for you IP address? All of us use VPNs which we rotate our “location” on constantly. Different cities, states, and even countries. As noted, no clue if your IP address actually puts you somewhere in India (a huge place BTW), or if you are just VPN’ing. Besides that, why are you concerned? Would your employer get upset if you are seriously pro-vax? Doubtful. On the other hand, our MDs and RNs keep getting their licenses threatened. Maria, whose article caused you such offense, just left her hospital to take a management job with a chain of surgery centers. She is making more money in a job she didn’t want, but because hospital life is so toxic, she took it anyway. At least the pay check gets bigger, and it is a public company so the stock options will be nice. But now instead of taking care of patients she will be managing the nurses that do.
You didn’t have to play the victim here, Jonathan, but it seems to be a habit with you.
Oh, almost forgot. Dr. Paisios is not anonymous, despite having to defend his license already in Texas. Dr. Irene is not, either, though her medical board put her through the ringer. The major difference is that an RN has much less clout than an MD, and a much harder time surviving the challenge.
Dr. Irene did a great job putting COVID in an Orthodox perspective here:
https://orthodoxreflections.com/to-prevent-death-please-stop-living/
Dear Jon (our dear Jon letter), Do us all a favor and go crawl back under the rock you slithered out from under. Obviously, you live where the sun don’t shine and darkness prevails. When its all over, and the planet is safe for children again, we’ll call on you for your opinions if we need some comic relief.
But until then, we will be seeking to league ourselves with the people we can trust to solve problems as things degenerate. Even “free speech” has its limits, and your comments have exhausted any afforded “right” to be heard.
John, you don’t believe in germ theory of disease, claim that 5G is a direct energy weapon and that you have covered your house with RF-blocking materials (tinfoil?) accordingly, and say graphene is growing in your bloodstream. You are not someone I would ever trust on a medical issue.
Since you mentioned Florida’s age profile, I thought you might find this study useful. They very narrowly looked just at the Delta surge (when vaccines were available ot all and most red states had reduced lockdown compliance while most blue states remained strict), and looked specifically at the death rate among seniors only. So this is the most like-to-like comparison you can get – age profile differences are out, time frame anamolies and pre-vaccine issues are out, and you’re looking at the deaths within a single surge:
https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/covid-19-deaths-among-older-adults-during-the-delta-surge-were-higher-in-states-with-lower-vaccination-rates/
COVID-19 Deaths Among Older Adults During the Delta Surge Were Higher in States with Lower Vaccination Rates
First # is the vaccination rate among seniors, second # is the death rate among seniors during that specific Delta surge from June 1, 2021 to August 25, 2021. I ranked from lowest death rate to highest
Massachusetts / 88.8% / 28
Minnesota / 89.5% / 35
Michigan / 83.8% / 36
New Jersey / 86.4% / 37
New York State / 84.0% / 38
Maryland / 90.4% / 39
Pennsylvania / 87.8% / 43
Wisconsin / 90.5% / 48
Iowa / 88.5% / 50
North Carolina / 79.9% / 51
Illinois / 78.2% / 52
Ohio / 83.2% / 53
California / 80.6% / 56
Colorado / 83.4% / 59
Virginia / 85.5% / 60
New Mexico / 89.4% / 60
Arizona / 77.8% / 72
West Virginia / 71.3% / 73
Washington / 88.0% / 77
Indiana / 83.8% / 80
Utah / 83.1% / 86
Oregon / 86.1% 93
UNITED STATES AVERAGE / 83.3% / 93
Kansas / 84.5% / 99
Montana / 80.6% / 109
Kentucky / 83.6% / 124
Idaho / 80.6% / 135
South Carolina / 80.7% / 135
Oklahoma / 79.9% / 142
Missouri / 78.8% / 148
Georgia / 76.2% / 150
Louisiana / 82.2% / 156
Nevada / 77.5% / 164
Tennessee / 77.9% / 165
Texas / 78.9% / 166
Alabama / 74.9% / 182
Mississippi 78.1% / 195
Arkansas / 72.8% / 198
Florida / 84.3% / 230
Florida had some advantages. They had favorable weather. They got hit much later than most states, and completely missed any big pre-vaccine surge. Their governor had the most aggressive monoclonal antibodies treatment program in the entire country. They had reasonable vaccination rates among seniors, not the best but not the worst either.
And yet their seniors died at a HORRIFIC rate during the delta surge. They died at a rate 16% higher than the next worst state, 150% higher than the US average, and over 400% higher than California.
Do you really want to keep pretending that their open distain for lockdowns and masking and their loose policies towards health care worker vaccination had no impact on that? If those weren’t the reasons, then what’s your excuse?
Timeframe of your study is July 1, 2021 and September 25, 2021. So this data are quite old at this point, and Delta is no longer with us. Did you not read your own study:
This is a common issue with COVID mitigation and lockdown pushers. The study itself says that if all the lower vax uptake states matched the top 10, you might have save 7,623 seniors. That is not a level of death in the over 65 crowd that even could possibly be called “horrific”. That is even assuming we are talking about “from” COVID and not merely “with” COVID. Your own study credits Florida with a 84.3% vax rate at the time. Which is not in the bottom 10. Did you consult the chart?
The Government of Florida made a conscious decision to weigh the costs and benefits of lockdowns, school closures, mandatory masks, and other mitigation measures and found that any possible benefit was far outweighed by the costs. Masks did not stop the pandemic in those areas that mandated them. The vaccines did not, as you simply flipped over from Delta to Omicron which evaded the vax. Lockdowns carry their own absurdly high costs, for no benefit as nowhere did lockdowns “end the pandemic”. To avoid having to deal with those issues, we find people like yourself trying to compare percentages and rates, while ignoring the absolute numbers and the real harms caused by mitigations.
Politicians in the US are running away from their own records on the mitigations, and many are facing political extinction as a result of the harm their policies did. You should also do us all a favor and look at all cause mortality during the 2021 to 2022 period, and you will see that it is sharply up. As a result of the vaccines, which did nothing for Omicron by the way. And continue to fail, as you can tell from even the CDC director being ill with COVID after the bivalent booster.
We will not ever again pursue mitigation efforts on this scale for a virus. That is all over. As for the mRNA, that is over as well. Your IP address puts you in India. Are you a paid troll for the vax?
Your deflections are nonsense.
1. Claiming a study from 2021 data is too outdated to be meaningful is straight ignorance. We’re discussing the impact of Florida’s pandemic measures, but we can’t look at data during the height of the pandemic?
2. Claiming nearly 8,000 additional deaths is irrelevant was especially ignorant because you omit that you’re only reporting the count for just 2.7 months, in just 10 states, for just 1 age group. But the exact same factors that cause greater deaths in that subgroup of those few states during the Delta peak were present for the rest of the pandemic in other subgroups and in many other states. Multiplied out over more than two years, across all the states, for all age groups, you’d be talking a difference of hundreds of thousands of deaths. I can supply the #’s if you wish, though you’ve ignored that so far.
3. No one said Florida is in the bottom 10 of total vaccination. However, they were 12th in highest death rate overall, and 1st in death rate among seniors during Delta, because they aggressively flaunted lockdown recommendations (something their governor was very proud of) as well as having some of the loosest exemptions for vaccinations of health care workers (something your own article noted), which had a direct impact on spread in hospitals and nursing homes. And we saw the direct result in lives lost – a death rate during Delta of 5x higher than many similar states with stricter rules.
4. You just trotted out the “with COVID / from COVID” nonsense without realising that in a comparative study the “with Covid” rate would have been normalised across the states if it were simple background deaths. Why would the red states, which have the most motive to minimize deaths, show fast higher Covid death rates than the blue states, which have most motive to exaggerate them, unless a policy difference was really causing more death in those red states?
5. Your claim that vaccination “did nothing” during Omicron was outright false. Vaccinated persons were several times more likely to survive Omicron infection than non-vaccinated persons, and for boosted persons the effect was even more dramatic. It is true that vaccination had a lesser impact on transmission during Omicron, but it was still significant.
6. The tired “from COVID or with Covid” claim is ridiculous when looking at death rates that vary by 8x from the lowest state to the highest. Why would Florida doctors attribute 8x higher death rates to COVID than Massachusetts doctors did, if this was just some background death rate and not actual COVID deaths?
But if you really want to demolish that argument, then look at excess death rates, the TOTAL # of deaths above normal regardless of cause. Over and over you guys have tried to claim that lockdowns, masks, vaccines would all cause more deaths. So why is it that the states which did the most to avoid lockdowns, masks, and disease had by far the MOST elevated death rates from all causes in 2021 and 2022?
That’s a plain fact you just don’t want to deal with and will bury under more Gish gallop of deflections.
Here’s what we’ll say Jonathan. We went round and round over all cause mortality claims concerning lockdowns and other mitigation measures the last time you showed up. All cause mortality did spike, and we linked to information about it. We don’t agree on the causes for that spike.
Take a look at the charts, links, and video here:
https://vigilantfox.substack.com/p/smoking-gun-new-actuarial-report
and then get back to us.
We would all probably agree that Public Health got extremely politicized. Ron DeSantis and Florida seem to stick in your craw. DeSantis is about to cruise to re-election. He is extremely popular in the state. A state you claim his policies created some kind of health disaster for. His record in Florida is likely to make him president in 2024.
Hochul and Whitmer are in statistical dead heats with opponents they should be beating handily. But aren’t. They may eke out wins, but their opponents are making great strides by hanging their support for school closures and other mandates / mitigation measures around their necks. Now if Florida were a death zone, and the mitigations in NY and Michigan saved all those lives – why is this happening? Why are those states also losing population, even as Florida can’t build housing fast enough?
One is reminded of the Soviet economists who would tout record harvests on TV even as people were starving to death at home. You can run all kinds of numbers, but what people vote on the basis of is what they see every day. The mitigations on a cost / benefit basis were not worth it. Florida didn’t look like the height of the Spanish Flu compared to the states that shredded their economies to contain a virus that primarily targeted the elderly. Not even close. And now a judge in NYC has tossed out the city worker vax mandate. The tide is distinctly against mandates and mitigations. People have lived through them, and don’t want them again. Granny got COVID, despite all the masks and lockdowns. And she lived! Most of them did. In fact, everyone got COVID. Even the vaxxed got COVID.
And the vast majority of people lived. Even high profile people are still getting COVID on a regular basis. And living. A huge percentage of the population is unvaxxed, and are doing just fine. Dr. McCullough made an excellent point on this – we could have easily simply ignored COVID and been in a much better position than what we ended up in.
Your mitigations did not end the Pandemic anywhere. And now we are on what? The 4th booster? 5th? So the vax did not end the Pandemic either. On the other hand, Pfizer and Moderna made billions and bear no liability for any damage done by their shots. What a fantastic business model! And people like you, apparently, will show up to defend their products for free. It is good to be Big Pharma.
The article is actually about vaxxing kids. You didn’t challenge the statistics around kids, the health impacts on kids, the political reasons behind the addition to the recommended schedule. You mention a conspiracy theory, but do you plan to address this quote from Dr. Robert Malone:
Regulatory capture of the FDA is hard to dismiss as a “conspiracy theory” when it is so blatantly in your face. As for FDA approval for the mRNA?
Whatever approval was granted was done so without going through a full evaluation which would have lasted normally 6 to 10 years. That was what Dr. Paisios was getting at – https://orthodoxreflections.com/dr-paisios-list-of-noes/
After “approval” the “approved” versions were not available. The EUA was continued and extended. Strange, isn’t it? Even when the system works correctly, prescription drugs are the 3rd leading cause of death. The system, in this case, has been completely ignored and the results are plain.
Do you think we should be vaxxing children? Do you think vax mandates are acceptable? Do you still think the jabs stop transmission, even though everyone who made those claims seems to be walking away from them? Do you think the vaccines are morally licit, despite the ties to abortion? You seem to have an issue with the religious exemptions permitted to health care workers in Florida. Even though the vax does not stop transmission. Is that your stance, that Orthodox Christians are not entitled to religious exemptions? Or that religious exemptions shouldn’t exist? Do you feel the same for school age kids? If you have a number needed to treat in the thousands to prevent a single death, and a known risk of adverse reactions that is much less than that, how can these jabs possibly be a good idea?
All-cause mortality DID spike, and it spiked far MORE in the places that didn’t lock down. What about that is tough for you to understand?
The labeling on that graph is laughable – if you graphed the actual # of vaccines per month or the actual # of states that were locked down it doesn’t match the death peaks at all. That’s just some random guy pulling labels out of his butt. The actual time periods when the most states had the strongest lockdowns, and when the most vaccines were being given per day, are some of the lowest death lulls on that entire graph.
On average, states and counties with lockdowns had significantly fewer all-cause deaths than states and counties without lockdowns. On average, states and counties with higher vaccination rates had significantly fewer all-cause deaths than states and counties with lower vaccination rates. What’s so hard to understand about that?
So we’re going to shift the debate, because this is tedious and we now into dueling charts. Operation Warp Speed cost almost 13 billion dollars. The spend on COVID relief measures appears to top $4 trillion dollars. The company’s COVID-19 vaccine contributed $13.2 billion in global revenue, more than half of Pfizer’s total revenue for Q1 2022. Pfizer and Moderna’s gain is everyone else’s loss. That is a staggering amount of money to spend on the jabs. That is also a staggering amount of money to spend trying to offset the damage done to the economy by lockdowns and mandates.
Given the rise in mental illness, alcoholism, suicide, academic delay, unemployment, supply chain issues, lost revenue, shuttered businesses, etc. – was all that worth it? We keep repeating that question. You continue to focus on comparing Florida to other states, and you want to say that lockdowns, masking, and vax mandates saved lives. At what cost? Where in the cost/benefit analysis do you break even on virus that primarily kills the very old and the very ill? We have been repeating this over and over again. There is not one variable here. Reducing deaths at any cost was the justification for policies that have had horrendous impacts.
And no matter how many times we repeat that, we still end up fighting over charts. That isn’t going to happen again, because we will simply not comment on that. Florida was in the middle of the pack in terms of COVID deaths and vax uptake. Yet, Florida was the freest state in the Union at the same time. Florida should have been a kill zone according to you. It wasn’t. And, again, compare the popularity of DeSantis with Whitmer and Hochul, for example. People understand that to combat a virus with a 99% survival we gave up our liberties and came really close to destroying our economy.
Never again is the rallying cry of many people this election season. Not to mention that jab booster uptake is abysmal. People are done.
For us, it was simply not worth the cost, which we will be bearing for decades to come. That is our bottom line on the subject, as illustrated by our ARR vs. RRR answer.
If you deny the deaths, then how can you even calculate whether its worth it or not?
Let’s start for the baseline. What do you think is an appropriate baseline for how much public health money should be spent per life saved? Obviously there may be additional benefits beyond lives alone (long-term disability, preventing hospitalizations and their attendant costs, etc.), but for simplicity’s sake we’ll reduce the equation to deaths alone.
How much money do you think we as a society should be willing to spend to prevent death? If you can’t answer that question, then there’s no way to proceed on the “is it worth it” question outside of emotions.
That is not how this going to be discussed. Prior to 2020, we never quarantined the healthy. We never shut down schools in some places for over a year. We never masked toddlers. We never spent billions on novel vaccine technology. We never required adults to get a vaccine just to travel or shop or hold a job.
The results were deaths of despair, increased social problems, inflation, economic contraction, lost businesses, vaccine injuries, academic delay, people losing their jobs over mandates, increased drug addiction, and trillions of dollars printed out of thin air to try and paper over the damage to economy.
If you want to make a case that all of this worth it, then feel free. There are estimates of total expenditures. There are estimates of total direct costs of lockdowns. Make your case. You are the one who supports all these policies, so you show us how the aggregate benefit to society was net positive despite the massive costs of these policies.
Yet again you deflect and can’t answer even your own goalpost shifts. You claim you want to talk about cost-benefit analysis, but you can’t even set a baseline figure required for EVERY cost-benefit analysis in public health. You’re proving that you just wanted to drop tagwords but have no interest in a serious discussion.
Most of the problems you list are the result of an unprecedented pandemic, the first time in a century that an infectious disease (or ANY event) increased total deaths in America by over 15% in a single year or resulted in 500,000+ new deaths in consecutive years. And most of those problems were even worse in the places that avoided vaccines and lockdowns than they were in the places that encouraged them. So your argument of those being the costs of the response, as opposed to the cost of the pandemic, falls flat.
(Also, many of your claims, like vaccines being required for certain jobs or travel, aren’t even remotely unprecedented.)
If you believe otherwise, then prove it. It’s been rather tiring to watch you repeatedly make claims and move the goalposts and then ask other people to provide the evidence. I already disproved your starting claims, I’m not going to jump around like your monkey disproving every new one when you aren’t even willing to back up your own point and pointing out your previous errors never changed anything in your viewpoint.
Has anyone ever looked into Christian health care sharing ministries?
I have. And have appointment to sell the program. It is the only sane alternative to regular insurance. Medi-share has the longest track record and does things pretty automatic. In the beginning, each subscriber was given the name of another party to send money to. Now it is all done by bank account, they sweep your payment from an account they have access to. These were things to get around the insurance laws, as you cannot call it “insurance” because of what legally defines “insurance”. Since my retirement from my insurance business, I have had no contact with them to see how they weathered the COVID storm, but for sure, it is the only viable answer to typical insurance. Of course, it would never qualify for subsidies.
Obviously, the Christian dynamic alters the risk pool giving a more favorable pricing. According to the laws–at least back then–it qualified to fill the requirement for insurance where it was mandated. I will be moving my medicare supplement over to them this year. Its all such a corrupt system, it chaps my hide to have medicare, but for me the cost is minimal.
That would be a great article to provide people more information about what is available. An Orthodox MD that has written for us just retired from allopathic medicine to pursue naturopathy mixed with Orthodox spiritual counseling. The medical system is broken. Nurses are quitting hospitals, doctors are quitting medicine. The FDA’s approval of the mRNA jab for children has really shaken the confidence of health care providers and patients. All alternatives to Big Pharma, Big Insurance, Big Medicine (AMA, FDA, hospital chains) etc. need to be explored.
I’ll see if I can put something together. Of course, a medical sharing program does not necessarily filter one’s choice of doctors. There are two sides to the equation, and the “insurance” component is half the problem. By eliminating many things covered by conventional insurance e.g. abortion, substance abuse recovery, etc. the costs do reflect a different situation. Medishare–as I recall–is extremely family friendly and even would pay for some of the costs of adoption up to two kids. I think the scales for families stop charging after two kids. In other words, it would be the same with two (or maybe 3) as it would for ten kids. Obviously, my info is old, and I’ll have to find out where things are there.
The CDC’s Vaccine Advisory Committee voted on Thursday to add Pfizer’s and Moderna’s mRNA shots to its childhood vaccine schedule. The vote was 15 to 0 — a final supreme gesture of contempt for the people of this land.
–James Howard Kunstler
So does Corporate America.
Stop wearing the mask. Period. Make them take action. You have a mountain of evidence and can sue them.
I am not frontline but when on-site, I will not wear a mask. I dare them to start this fight.
The shot is just part of the onslaught by the New World order. The graphene in the shot is everywhere, in the food we eat, and raining down from chemtrails. I have isolated it and regrown it from rain water, and sweat from my own body with nothing other than a bucket and two car batteries. I’m still trying to figure out how to mix it with paint to make a radio frequency barrier. The graphene is same technology in many many things, bullet proof vests, stealth, tennis rackets, and on an on. When it gets into the body it only needs some form of energy to start replecating, like the body’s own electrical system, or 5g or even 4g. In order to survive in the modern world, we must learn the art of detox and work it regularly.
The restoration of minerals is all important. When the body lacks some minerals it uses whatever is plentious eg. aluminum, lead, tin; aluminum replaces magnesium on a cellular level–causes migraines. These heavy metals seem to gravitate to any injury in the body, a joint sprain and make it chronic. As we age, our bodies are less able to deal with the onslaught and detox is necessary.
God bless those on the front lines of the medical battle!
The fact that John Lee has been propped up by the site authors as “great on the jab” while regurgitating this nonsense tells you all you need to know about their discernment.
We are in Florida also, and not all hospitals here are using that policy. Sebastian comes to mind. I am wondering what part of Florida you are in? Or which of the Health Companies own your local hospitals?
It is surprisingly widespread. Our friend at the Alachua Chronicle just published her story about UF Health:
https://alachuachronicle.com/uf-health-no-longer-requires-its-employees-to-mask-unless-theyre-unvaccinated/
We know for a fact that multiple other hospital systems in Florida have this same policy. If not all of them do, then that is great to hear.
Hang tight Maria….the cavalry will be coming soon. The Holy Theotokos is protecting us from this siege we are under. Divine intervention is our only hope, the evil is too great for us. As a terminated city worker myself, I feel your pain. Be grateful, you still have a job, when thousands do not; but we are fighting! Prayer and fasting….